Episode 114
The Influence of Giants on Faith, Activism, and Sports
Bishop Julius C. Trimble is the Resident Bishop of the Indiana Area of the United Methodist Church.
Bishop Trimble has the personal mission to encourage all people with the love of Jesus Christ to rise to their highest potential. It is his commitment to his personal mission that led Bishop Trimble to create the “To Be Encouraged” Podcast along with co-host Rev.Dr. Brad MIller.
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**Episode 114: Lessons from Giants - Show Notes**
Welcome to another soul-lifting episode of the To Be Encouraged podcast! In Episode 114, Rev. Dr. Brad Miller sits down with Bishop Julius C. Trimble to delve into the lessons we can learn from three monumental figures who recently passed away. This riveting conversation not only memorializes these giants but also illuminates the broader implications of their lives and legacies. Here are three key takeaways from this impactful episode:
### **1. The Power of Witness and Advocacy: The Life of Rev. James Lawson**
Rev. James Lawson was a formidable figure in the civil rights and human rights movement. Though Bishop Trimble did not know him personally, Lawson's influence resonated deeply within his own ministry. A United Methodist pastor and a close associate of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Lawson was instrumental in teaching the principles of nonviolent resistance. His lifelong commitment to advocacy, social justice, and human rights serves as an inspiration for young pastors and anyone involved in social activism. Lawson demonstrated that the church's role extends beyond worship to radical prophetic witness and effective advocacy.
### **2. Theological Foundations of Hope: The Impact of Jürgen Moltmann**
Jürgen Moltmann's theological contributions, particularly his "Theology of Hope," have left an indelible mark on both academia and personal faith journeys. Jürgen Moltmann believed that theology should not be confined to the ivory tower but should translate into real-world action and hope. His writings remind us that what we believe about God should inform how we live, what we are willing to stand for, and even sacrifice for. Jürgen Moltmann emphasized the church's role as a beacon of hope in a world often filled with despair, a message that is critically relevant for young theologians and pastors today.
### **3. Overcoming Adversity to Achieve Greatness: The Legacy of Willie Mays**
Willie Mays, the legendary baseball player, symbolizes resilience and excellence in the face of adversity. Despite experiencing significant racial discrimination, Mays excelled to become one of the greatest athletes in history. His story is a testament to the power of perseverance and serves as an enduring inspiration across various professions, including ministry. Bishop Trimble reminds us that modern-day successes in sports and other fields are built on the foundations laid by trailblazers like Mays, whose struggles and achievements continue to provide motivation and guidance.
### **Conclusion: Continuing the Journey**
In this enriching episode, Bishop Julius C. Trimble underscores the importance of learning from the past to better navigate the future. The stories of Rev. James Lawson, JJürgen Moltmann, and Willie Mays offer invaluable lessons in advocacy, hope, and perseverance. As we stand on the shoulders of these giants, may their legacies inspire us to contribute positively to society and continue to offer an encouraging word to an often discouraged world.
Tune in to Episode 114 of To Be Encouraged to absorb these enlightening lessons and more. Don't forget to check out the full article referenced in the podcast, available on our show notes at tobeencouraged.com. Thank you for joining us on this inspiring journey!
Transcript
Hello again, good people. This is the to be
Speaker:encouraged podcast with Bishop Julius C. Treble, the
Speaker:podcast where we look to offer an encouraging word to an often
Speaker:discouraged world. I am your co host, reverend doctor Brad
Speaker:Miller. And, today, Bishop, we're gonna talk about some
Speaker:great people who Mays some impact in your life who we lost
Speaker:recently. And something I think about once in a while
Speaker:is is I have a birthday coming up too long not too long from
Speaker:now. And every once in a while, I I think I look look at the
Speaker:obituaries, make sure my name is not in there. And but we
Speaker:do occasionally lose people that are important to us as we get
Speaker:along in years a little bit. And that happened to you recently, and you wrote
Speaker:a a movie article about some people in culture that we lost. Can you share
Speaker:a little bit about the about the article that you wrote? Thank you, Brad. Thanks
Speaker:for the invitation. And, Yeah. I think we all should always
Speaker:should pay attention to people, not just from our own immediate
Speaker:families, but people in in the world and people
Speaker:who maybe have put had a particular positive impact on
Speaker:our lives or or or or or or impact on our lives
Speaker:in such a way that make us reflect on the
Speaker:importance of our own contributions. So I wrote an article re
Speaker:recently because these three persons all died around
Speaker:relatively around the same time. All of them were in their
Speaker:nineties. And I saw the article was When Giants
Speaker:Die. And there's an African proverb. I have a number of
Speaker:proverbs that I call my favorite proverbs. There's a proverb that says when an
Speaker:old person dies, we lose a library. And what
Speaker:does that mean? To me, that translates that when
Speaker:certain people die, older people die, a lot of
Speaker:history, a lot of memory, a lot of experiences
Speaker:have gone with them unless we unless they pass that on or we
Speaker:study those persons, we can quickly forget about their contributions.
Speaker:So I wrote this article in part just to as a way
Speaker:of giving testimony and affirmation
Speaker:of the lives these 3 giants of their of their
Speaker:lives and their contribution, but also because they all had some
Speaker:impact on my own ministry and my own growth.
Speaker:Let's let's unpack that then. You've mentioned there were 3 people mentioned in the
Speaker:article. 1 of it was reverend, James Lawson. Tell us what the impact of
Speaker:this that he had on you, a little bit about his background
Speaker:as you understand it, and the personal impact on you. And why why
Speaker:should it matter to the rest of us? Well, I did not know reverend James
Speaker:Lawson personally. I I Mays I may I've met him on a couple
Speaker:of occasions, probably in gatherings, but he
Speaker:wouldn't I don't think he knew me personally. But
Speaker:reverend James Lawson, a United Methodist pastor who
Speaker:also was one of the preeminent leaders in the
Speaker:civil rights civil and I call civil and human rights movement
Speaker:of the 19 late 19 fifties sixties.
Speaker:In fact, like others who were still living on the late
Speaker:John Lewis, congressman John Lewis, you know, James Lawson
Speaker:continued to be a civil rights and human rights activist
Speaker:up until his death. Again, like I said, the the
Speaker:three people I wrote about all live past the age of 90.
Speaker:Reverend James Lawson was the pastor of Holman United Methodist Church for
Speaker:25 years. But part of his story includes
Speaker:his travel to India as a global
Speaker:Mays a global ministries missionary
Speaker:to India and his studying of Gandhi's
Speaker:non violence protest,
Speaker:soul power. The and and and Lawson
Speaker:became one of the foremost teachers
Speaker:nonviolence resistance Mays based on Gandhi's,
Speaker:but also based on Christian principles as well. In 1957,
Speaker:doctor Martin Luther King Junior invited Lawson, the
Speaker:reverend James Lawson to come and to begin to to to teach
Speaker:those who were in the civil rights movement about the
Speaker:principles and practices and the discipline needed in order
Speaker:to utilize nonviolent protest. Oh,
Speaker:influence on M. L. King. Right? Significant influence on Martin Luther
Speaker:King Junior and on and on movements. In fact, I
Speaker:believe the history reports that he was he
Speaker:was suspended from his studies at Vanderbilt
Speaker:because of his leading protest nonviolent protest in
Speaker:Nashville. And later in his life much later in his life, he
Speaker:was invited back to Vanderbilt to preach and to he
Speaker:received numerous honorary degrees
Speaker:after his involvement with the Willie rights movement. So how is he per
Speaker:you touched on it here, but tell us more more about how he was personally
Speaker:impactful on you and your ministry, particularly in your
Speaker:own interest in advocacy and civil rights and other things of
Speaker:this nature. His witness just because I knew about him. His he was
Speaker:a pastor for 25 years. And and when I think about people
Speaker:who are who are practitioners, you know, he preached the
Speaker:gospel. He preached on a regular basis from a
Speaker:congregation for 25 years and continued also
Speaker:to advocate for the acceptance of the LGBTQ
Speaker:community, for persons to have the right for collective bargaining,
Speaker:the ending of gun violence, the the role of the church to
Speaker:be radical in terms of our prophetic witness
Speaker:to reduce violence. He was also a person who believed
Speaker:in in forgiveness, a powerful witness for
Speaker:forgiveness. So it was really his witness, his writings,
Speaker:his what I knew about him that was an impact on me
Speaker:because I was also very committed to to
Speaker:to nonviolent protest, but also to the church
Speaker:being more than just a place of worship and a place
Speaker:of where we had priestly and pietistic
Speaker:responsibilities, but also prophetic. It was his prophetic witness
Speaker:and that really had impact on on me.
Speaker:And why should his message Giants his ministry not only impact
Speaker:be influential to you, but why does it matter to, for
Speaker:instance, a young pastor coming up or someone else? I think
Speaker:anybody that would take the time to study, to
Speaker:work the writings and witness of James, reverend James Lawson
Speaker:would understand, he really embodied our general rules, you know,
Speaker:doing no harm, doing good, staying in love with God. He
Speaker:really he was able to to to really
Speaker:demonstrate that and embody that
Speaker:that rule that Wesley taught that that that that that those who belong
Speaker:to the movement, the Methodist movement, really must give witness
Speaker:to. Well, thanks, for sharing that about, reverend
Speaker:James Lawson. The second person you mentioned is a giant that had
Speaker:influence on you who passed away in the same general time frame of June
Speaker:of 2024 Mays a person who you and I may have been
Speaker:introduced to him in a theology class at Garrett a Garrett Evangelical
Speaker:40 something years ago. Because as Jurgen Moulma and I read some of
Speaker:his material in in seminary and was influenced by
Speaker:his theological writings and and thoughts. Tell me why
Speaker:he was on your list of giants. Well, because he was one of
Speaker:those theologians that you actually kinda remembered some of what he wrote. You know,
Speaker:we we we we studied a lot of theologians and so Well,
Speaker:he's one of the few textbooks that still remains in my library. I'll put it
Speaker:that way. Yeah. That that it really and, you know, it's I think it was
Speaker:World Council of Churches that said that he that he may have been one of
Speaker:the most widely read theologians for of 80 years.
Speaker:Moltmann, who is German Mhmm.
Speaker:Wrote about hope a lot. Yeah. And I consider myself I'm
Speaker:borrowing the words of Desmond Tutu, but I consider
Speaker:myself a prisoner of hope. Yes. And Moltman wrote
Speaker:about hope, but he also was one who
Speaker:believed that that the church had a
Speaker:radical needed to have a radical commitment to denounce violence.
Speaker:And he was one whose witness and his writing
Speaker:were was was embodied by his understanding
Speaker:of the Bible, particularly the Sermon on the Mount and the life and witness
Speaker:of Jesus Christ in such a way that it really
Speaker:should have practical. So his the theology of hope and
Speaker:his theology really really, he felt, should be something
Speaker:that made the church, the church
Speaker:alive, the church on the move, and was what
Speaker:Wesley would probably call practical theological Sounds like he gave some theological
Speaker:structure and some foundation and depth
Speaker:to what formed your theological thinking. We became
Speaker:into the church and, you know, mix that in with, with Lawson
Speaker:and, you know, get a lot of what you were involved with. Well
Speaker:and he he what what really impacted me too was the sense that, well,
Speaker:here's a theologian who believes that what you believe about
Speaker:God really should translate to what you what what are you willing to witness
Speaker:for. And, of course, he when he began to witness
Speaker:against the rise of Nazism Mhmm. And Hitler, he was
Speaker:arrested and eventually executed. And he could've chosen just
Speaker:to teach at Yale or or Duke or or Garrett or
Speaker:anywhere else and, you know, never return never
Speaker:returned to to to to Germany,
Speaker:particularly during the turn during that time of his witness. But he
Speaker:he did not do that, And his writings have since lasted on.
Speaker:That doesn't mean that I when I think back on it, there were Mays there
Speaker:are many may Mays be some things that I didn't agree with in the
Speaker:in the way in which he he presented theology
Speaker:his theology. But theology, the sense that
Speaker:the church must be a sign of God's hope in a world
Speaker:that often is desperately in need of hope. Yeah. That's one of the
Speaker:I guess if you just Mays, what can I remember? That that part I do
Speaker:remember and, you know, his book Theology of Hope. But
Speaker:even though I've said and I've been quoted as saying, hope is not a
Speaker:strategy, but you it's hard to live without hope. You gotta have it.
Speaker:That's gonna be part of your motivation and your energy behind
Speaker:that drives your strategy. So why should, Montmoren
Speaker:matter to a young pastor or a young theologian coming up now? What
Speaker:does he offer that matters now to them? Well, what does God mean to
Speaker:you? What does the Bible mean to you? And what are you willing to live
Speaker:for and die for? What does God mean to
Speaker:you? What does the Bible mean to you? What are you willing to live
Speaker:for and even possibly die for? And I
Speaker:think that's what Moltman you know, I I remember one of
Speaker:the the a theologian saying, it's pretty easy being a
Speaker:theologian compared to being a pastor. This is when we were in
Speaker:seminary. Saying he said, because we can hide in the ivory tower, if you
Speaker:will, and write about things. Sure. And you have to actually live with people that
Speaker:may disagree with you. So but some
Speaker:theologian, in this case, Moltman, their their
Speaker:theology isn't just theology that's on pages
Speaker:in books or that you can look up on your computer. When
Speaker:you look at their witness in the long span of their life. Just heard
Speaker:heard a story at North Central Jurisdiction Conference by Paul
Speaker:Chilcott about Montmart, who has his at a 17 as a
Speaker:17 year old, was conscripted in actually into the German
Speaker:air force. Mhmm. And so he was he he he
Speaker:almost kinda had the Pollock's apostle Paul experience,
Speaker:because he had been dropping bombs on
Speaker:on on Europe and later
Speaker:later was no longer in the military and later turned around
Speaker:and became prominent theologian
Speaker:as an adult later in life, which goes to show you
Speaker:that God can take someone who's in one place and,
Speaker:later on, use them in a significantly different way. Well,
Speaker:that's that's awesome. Thank you for sharing about that. It Mays a reminder of me
Speaker:of to, look him up again. Mhmm. Because, to be honest with you, I hadn't
Speaker:thought about Montmoren in a long time. I I thought, you know, there there were
Speaker:some impacting things about that for me as well. 3rd person
Speaker:on your list of Giants was, was an athlete,
Speaker:Willie Mays. Willie Mays. The Mays Hey Kid. Man, oh, man. Just for
Speaker:persons of our era and others, It was prior
Speaker:to us. He was the man, wasn't he, in baseball? He he was the man,
Speaker:and, you know, there were a lot of great obviously, a lot of great athletes
Speaker:and stars in baseball, you know, Henry Aaron, you know, Babe Ruth. It depends
Speaker:on what era you were in. And, you know, I obviously, I was
Speaker:quite young. But Willie Mays' story is is just a
Speaker:phenomenal story from from Alabama. He played in
Speaker:the Negro Leagues for several years as a teenager
Speaker:and before he was before he was signed on to
Speaker:a professional baseball contract by the New
Speaker:York Giants, which later became the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker:And when I think about, you know, who are the great players who
Speaker:wore a Giants uniform, I think of Willie
Speaker:Mays. And, of course, there's they still play films of
Speaker:it, of this over the shoulder catch he made. Classic. And
Speaker:he, yeah, he writes that that wasn't his greatest catch. It's
Speaker:often is the case about what big with with
Speaker:superstar athletes when they have there's an iconic picture or
Speaker:film of them. They often say that wasn't the best one I've ever done. I've
Speaker:done some that were even more fantastic. They just didn't get them on
Speaker:they they didn't get them on Yeah. I think it might have been the Willie
Speaker:series or something when he did that. Yeah. And so he's had the I know,
Speaker:you know, some great basketball stars. I know Michael Jordan was supposedly did his
Speaker:greatest stuff in practice, for instance. So so
Speaker:yeah. Well, that well, that's Willie Mays. What well, I wrote about Willie Mays
Speaker:because I just, well, the number 1, the article is When
Speaker:Giants Die. And I I was a he was a Giants even though I think
Speaker:he maybe his last, you know, few bats at bats, he might have been at
Speaker:with the New York Mets or something. But Right. But but for most of his
Speaker:career, he played for the Giants, San Francisco Giants, and
Speaker:the and the initially, the New York Giants. And he
Speaker:played 2 years in the Negro Negro Leagues and
Speaker:he play he was in the military. Yeah. I've often I
Speaker:didn't remember that. He had served during the Korean War
Speaker:in the military, I think, I wanna say Mays 2, 3 years. Yeah. So when
Speaker:you think about 2 or 3 years in the military where he was not in
Speaker:the Mays leagues at that time, and you add that
Speaker:to 2 years he played in the Negro Leagues, some
Speaker:calculate that he could've hit a 800 home run. Sure.
Speaker:Well, and I'm sure I know there are stories about him dealing with, you know,
Speaker:racism and all kinds of really horrible treatment in his
Speaker:especially his early days of playing baseball. In fact, one things I happened to see
Speaker:during that time is Reggie Jackson, a little bit more of a contemporary of ours,
Speaker:Mays baseball player, was being interviewed about Willie Mays' death and
Speaker:how Willie Mays was helpful to him as a young black baseball player coming
Speaker:up, but he was in tears describing his experiences
Speaker:of racism and so on. And so so can you say this word about that,
Speaker:how some of these people, not only in baseball but other walks of life,
Speaker:did blaze a trail for some others to follow, and that needs to be held
Speaker:up as well. Yeah. You know, I mean, I've experienced racism
Speaker:being a black bishop in Iowa and Indiana, but
Speaker:nothing compared to what a Willie Mays or a Reggie
Speaker:Jackson experienced playing at the highest level of their
Speaker:sports. Can you imagine performing at the
Speaker:highest level of your job or your your profession
Speaker:and at the same time on a regular or daily basis
Speaker:experiencing someone discriminating against you or calling you
Speaker:names or or or doing things to try to
Speaker:deter your excellence Yeah. Or or minimize your contribution.
Speaker:And so I don't even think I can fully fathom
Speaker:or understand all that Willie Mays or Hank
Speaker:Aaron or Jackie Robinson even watching the movie Jackie
Speaker:Robinson, I got some you get some glimpse to what that could
Speaker:have been like. But to be on a bus and go to
Speaker:places and then everybody on the team be Willie. But
Speaker:you Yeah. Are saying, well, we all
Speaker:can eat at a restaurant except you have to go around the back to the
Speaker:kitchen to get your meal. Disgusting. That to imagine that. And then the
Speaker:next day, play a game and play, you know Have people cheering for you. Have
Speaker:people cheering for you. You may have just kept you from the same people.
Speaker:So that you know, it's hard to hard to understand. We
Speaker:often talk about microaggressions, but those weren't
Speaker:microaggression. Those are major aggressions in the sense
Speaker:that you're you're being wounded on a regular
Speaker:basis and yet you still are able to achieve
Speaker:fame and go into the hall of fame Right. As one of
Speaker:the greatest players of all time. So I think Willie Mays and you know what?
Speaker:What I regret when people tell me about Gregory, I don't have a lot of
Speaker:regrets. But I sure wish I would've kept all my baseball cards. Oh,
Speaker:my. Me too. Me too. Yeah. Me too. I didn't have the foresight
Speaker:to think that, you know, these things were you know, e even if I
Speaker:didn't sell them out, you know, I'd be able to look back and pass them
Speaker:on and and, you know Yeah. And there's The history once again,
Speaker:I could say when an old person dies, we lose the library. And when we
Speaker:don't tell these stories, because, obviously, many people reading the
Speaker:article or hearing this this podcast
Speaker:Willie say, I don't know any of those those guys that they're talking about.
Speaker:Well, let's talk about that for a second because we're talking about, you know, about
Speaker:Willie Mays, whose career ended 50 years
Speaker:ago or so. I remember, I think he played up to the early seventies,
Speaker:but would be out of the limelight for many years
Speaker:now. But why does his contribution it matters
Speaker:to you, obviously, and I remember it so well. But why should
Speaker:it matter to a young person, be they an athlete or a pastor or anybody
Speaker:else? Why should it matter now? Well, here's what the reason it matters.
Speaker:We stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us. That's
Speaker:across the the the the the plane of history.
Speaker:So everything that we are doing now or experiencing
Speaker:now, someone has done that before us. So if you
Speaker:play baseball today or or you participate in
Speaker:whatever sport or whatever profession, someone
Speaker:has laid a a the groundwork for
Speaker:for you and I to participate. The same thing with ministry. So
Speaker:I think about the Jim Lawsons of the world and others who've gone
Speaker:on before us. So Willie Mays, even after he
Speaker:stopped playing, continue to be an ambassador for the game
Speaker:of baseball, in particular for persons
Speaker:who may have come from marginalized communities or
Speaker:impoverished communities to have access to play
Speaker:baseball. Fortunately, baseball is a game. It's not a you
Speaker:don't have to be wealthy to participate. We used to play baseball in
Speaker:the lot next to the railroad tracks. And a baseball glove.
Speaker:You're also You get a if somebody had a if somebody had the bats, you
Speaker:know, you didn't even have to own a bat. As long as someone had a
Speaker:bat, you all you needed was to get your own glove, and
Speaker:someone had balls and someone else had bats, you could make your own bases.
Speaker:You didn't need you didn't even need to have real bases. You could Yeah. You
Speaker:just throw up your t shirt on the ground or whatever it would be. And
Speaker:Yeah. So so that's can have Yeah. Yeah. So so Mays when I think
Speaker:about it, it's important because someone has the the when I
Speaker:think about the contracts, Aaron Judge and so forth, some of
Speaker:these the recent contracts in terms of what they're signed for how
Speaker:much money Astronomical. Yeah. It wouldn't have happened without a Willie Mays. That wouldn't have
Speaker:happened. In fact, he made the news, you know, New York
Speaker:Times because he got one of the you know, I think he got a $100,000
Speaker:Yeah. Contract. 1, you know, 1 of the first players to get a $100,000
Speaker:contract and which would have been quite a bit of money
Speaker:at that time. But now when you think about some of the the the you
Speaker:know? We'll tie we'll tie this all together for us, Bishop. You've got these three
Speaker:persons, Reverend James Lawson, Jurgen Moltman, the theologian,
Speaker:and Willie Mays. What is a common denominator here of,
Speaker:standing on the shoulders of giants as you said as as you shared, which
Speaker:is meaningful and then important moving forward. How how can
Speaker:people take this message that you gave and apply it to
Speaker:their lives? Well, here's something I want people to hear about these 3 Giants.
Speaker:And there are others, many women as well with the with fallen,
Speaker:that they continue to give witness give witness to
Speaker:their faith long after they were, quote unquote, at retire
Speaker:mandatory retirement age. Mhmm. Lawson, right up until the
Speaker:time of his his death almost, to the sickness and
Speaker:death, the same thing with Moltman only a few years ago Willie with
Speaker:had been interviewed and the same thing with Willie Mays.
Speaker:Until their Willie their health failed them, they continue to give
Speaker:witness to their faith and to their
Speaker:their desire to make the society better. And for me, that
Speaker:really matters because I'm formally retiring
Speaker:retired now as an active bishop. Yeah. So do I just stop
Speaker:giving witness to my faith? Or do I stop giving witness or making a
Speaker:positive impact? And I think this podcast really
Speaker:has been about encouraging beyond any Willie
Speaker:or restrictions. And that encouragement goes
Speaker:beyond the professionalism. You know, you served x
Speaker:amount of time as a bishop, and Willie Mays, after such and such a time,
Speaker:couldn't play baseball anymore, but he certainly, ambassador, you could still share
Speaker:the good news. You'd still be a conduit by which god can
Speaker:work. So any closing thoughts on this before we
Speaker:say goodbye on this episode? Well, I'd like to say that if you're
Speaker:listening to this podcast, you are a hall of famer because God loves
Speaker:you, and God has put the hand handprint of God's grace and
Speaker:mercy upon your life. The Imago Dei, the handprint of
Speaker:God is upon all of us. And I think one of the
Speaker:messages I heard from North Central Jurisdiction Mays we were closing, Bishop
Speaker:Palmer, talked about that we are children
Speaker:of God, 1st John 3, and that is who we are.
Speaker:And I want people to remember that you are a child of God. That
Speaker:is who you are. You're a child of God. That's who you
Speaker:are. What a wonderful way for us to close this episode as
Speaker:we talk about standing on the shoulders of giants. We'll put
Speaker:a link to the article we spoke of here in our show notes
Speaker:at to be encouraged dotcom. Bishop, thank you for being
Speaker:our guest here on To Be Encouraged. We Mays remind you that the To Be
Speaker:Encouraged podcast is to offer an encouraging word to an often
Speaker:discouraged world and is brought to you by revere
Speaker:by, bishop, bishop Trimble and myself, reverend
Speaker:doctor Brad Miller.
