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When the Hurdles are Great, Become Great Hurdlers. Lessons Learned from Black History Month

When the Hurdles are Great, Become Great Hurdlers. Lessons Learned from Black History Month.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble is the Resident Bishop of the Indiana Area of the United Mehtodist Church.

Bishop Trimble has the personal mission to encourage all people with the love of Jesus Christ to rise to their highest potential. It is his commitment to his personal mission that led Bishop Trimble to create the “To Be Encouraged” Podcast along with co-host Rev.Dr. Brad MIller.

Bishop Trimble says, “I am compelled by Jesus to share with you an encouraging word or two about Jesus, theology, the bible, the pandemic, the environment, racism, voting rights, human sexuality and state of the United Methodist Church.”

To Be Encouraged with Bishop Julius C. Trimble is to be published weekly and is available at www.tobeencouraged.com and all the podcast directories.

https://www.inumc.org/bishop/office-of-the-bishop/

Transcript
Brad Miller:

Hello people welcome to be in courageous with

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Bishop Julius C tremble. This is the podcast where we hope to

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speak an encouraging word word into a discouraged world. And

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one of the many things that we have to deal with and Bishop you

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have said on many occasions, we'll be prepared to launch this

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podcast and gotta go now for a few weeks, is you really want to

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address pertinent issues that are happening in our world. And

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here it is February of 2022. And it is Black History Month. And I

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know that we wouldn't have a conversation today about Black

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History Month about the relevance of that today. And

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there's particular some things we can talk about, in light of

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some things happening in our world, I know that we have a

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potential, and in our country, a new Supreme Court justice being

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nominated and things like that. But first of all, Bishop just

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talk just a bit about your feelings, your thoughts, your

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observations about the importance and the place and the

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purpose of Black History Month.

Bishop Julius Trimble:

I think Black History Month is

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critically important, because it's important to be able to

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really appreciate and understand the diversity and contributions

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of so many people, so many cultures, so many racial ethnic

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groups that have contributed to making this country a great,

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great place and, and also contributions across the globe.

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I can recall going through school early on and not really

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hearing much about black history. It started because of

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Carter G. Woodson, who didn't have an opportunity to attend

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school until high school until he was 20 years old. So he

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started high school at age 20, the grandson of us of slaves,

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Carter G. Woodson, ended up completing getting a PhD from

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Harvard University. But he first introduced what was called Negro

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History Week. And of course, Negro History Week later became

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black history month. And its its purpose was really to add to

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enhance the understanding of the historical contributions of

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black citizens. In in, in America, in the United States of

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America in particular, because so much of that was kind of left

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out of the, of the, the educational opportunities for

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those persons who were attending school, I had a course in high

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school and African American history. And I just had bits and

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pieces actually up until I was in high school, where I heard

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about famous black contributors like George Washington Carver,

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and persons like that Booker T, Washington, but there was a

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there's been a lot of contributions throughout the

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history of this country. And I think until we really appreciate

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all of all history from all people, that we can't really

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appreciate how much we've all contributed to what we call

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American society.

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That's a good background for us here as well.

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And I think it highlights something that I've been

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thinking about a little bit here as United talk about this. You

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and I are about the same age. And it seemed to me that in the

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educational system, at least when I was growing up that black

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history entailed just a mention of three or four primary names,

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Christmas addicts, Booker T. Washington, George Washington

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Carver, that's about it, as far as I recall, in terms of growing

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up, and then but there that meant there was a huge void, at

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least I've learned since then. But other contributors other

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people in our history who have made such a such an impact, and

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I'd like you to speak for a minute about in your studies or

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in your life about any figures, any folks. Black folks from

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history or even contemporary folks who have had a real impact

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on you and your life and ministry and your your

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viewpoints.

Bishop Julius Trimble:

Well, my grandfather, Julius Pryor senior

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was a charter member of the NAACP in Montgomery, Alabama. I

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didn't know that till I was well into my middle aged years. And

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so he was he was there when they laid the groundwork for the

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Montgomery bus boycott. Oh my God. He doesn't appear any any

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of the history books I read, but actually, we were in in in

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Alabama for a family reunion and we went to the new civil rights

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Murray, the Rosa Parks Civil Rights Museum and they had a

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video piece and as we're watching the video I said hey,

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that's that's Papa prior our grandfather on this on this

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video.

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To see the goodness Yeah, so there

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are literally people all all

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throughout society. When you think about every genre of

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society and culture, whether it's music, you know, Wes

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Montgomery, who's from the a jazz musician was from Indiana.

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Indianapolis. You know, he thinks sports Oscar Robertson,

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from from Indiana. We think about architecture. When you

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think about music, when you think about, say the sciences,

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they're just a host of persons, too often we associate

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particularly in contemporary society, black, black wealth

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with with entertainment. But we need not forget that even in

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recent years, you know, Barack Obama, who had who I'm often

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reminded is truly an African American, because his father was

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an African and his, his mother was from Kansas, I believe. And

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our current vice president, Kamala Harris, who is African,

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African and Asian, in her background, these are

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significant persons that that people should know about,

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obviously, know about, learn about. But even if you go back

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to trailblazers, who are trying to literally change the society

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and help America really live up to the words of the

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Constitution, people like Fannie Lou Hamer, who organized voter

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voters in Mississippi, even to the threat of her life, and

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people like Ida B. Wells, who continually lobbied the

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president to do something about lynching, in fact, said, If we

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really want to live up to the Constitution, increase

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enfranchisement make black citizens truly equal citizens.

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And and then that would do away with her belief was that with

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that would end the long legacy of lynching in America because

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African Americans were not considered to be full citizens.

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That was part of what was behind I think, Prodigy Woodson's

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notion that black people were learning actually, not to that

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they had not contributed anything. And white people were

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learning that black people were just really manifestations of

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stereotypes, that really were problem problems and, and drags

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on society. And so this was in part to break the break, break

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the chain of the stereotypes, but also to give credit where

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credit was often not given.

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And I think it's fascinating if you dig just a

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little deeper, rather than what we see on the surface, you can

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find some fascinating influences and impact as you mentioned,

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your music and so on and so forth. And you and your own

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family, I just find that fascinating. She saw your own

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relative involved with bigotry, boycotts, and so on. But we are

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both based in Indianapolis Indiana area and there's a write

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down in Annapolis there's a place called the madam Walker

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Theatre, which is based on a on a black business woman from I

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think around 100 years ago, when she was active and active,

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Madam CJ Walker, Walker, first self made

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millionaire woman black millionaire. Yeah. And yeah,

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they did, I think a Netflix series about about her about her

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life a couple of years ago as well.

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But that's an incredible accomplishment. And

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we have something called a major Taylor velodrome, which is about

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a bicycle. From around 100 years ago, a cyclist who was a world

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champion, he had to go to Europe or France and do in order to

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live out because he was so much prejudice here. But now there's

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this velodrome but bicycle racing track here in

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Indianapolis. But at this, I guess the point is we if we pay

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attention, we can see the influence here. But a lot of

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people are a little bit intimidated by that. A little

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scared of that. Don't you think that there's a sense of

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stability, some people kind of want to push back on Black

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History Month or this type of thing? Why do you think that is?

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Why do you think some folks want to push back on the significance

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of this?

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I think there's this notion that when we

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learn more about people who have historically been excluded, we

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do that at the detriment of our own contributions, which is not

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really true. It's like Brad, you know, when, when when people

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first heard heard the chance, black lives matter, you know,

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and I'm speaking as a black person, I immediately felt like,

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you know, a part of me saying, Oh, I know that my life matters.

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And the first thing you heard was, well, all lives matter,

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which is obviously true. That's an argument that it's hard to

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win. But the point is, black lives had not been treated as

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though they matter when people there when they were there was

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this whole series of consistently shootings and and

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unfortunate incidents, with with with with blacks and police. And

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so the chat really was this needs, needs attention to it.

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Some argue now and part of the discourse that's going on in our

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current society is around people what people consider critical

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race theory. People are shying away from it. Any conversation

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that seems to highlight the significant experience as well

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as contributions of black people, African Americans, and

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part of that I think will be to the detriment of our whole

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society. I've always said this, that if Ruby Bridges or, or any

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of the, even today, if someone can, if a 10 year old black girl

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can go to a school in Indiana, or Ohio, or Texas, and

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experience in real time, racism and prejudice, than a 10 year

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old white student should be able to learn about the history and

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an appropriate way for a 10 year old. To learn about the history

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that is later than that, the history of bigotry and racism

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and prejudice, you know, we shouldn't be teaching Miss

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misinformed histories about Native Americans. When there is

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a, we now have historical records of Native Americans. And

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a lot of that would include those of us who live in Indiana

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for certain,

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absolutely. I'm also intrigued and interested in

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how when some people push back against Black History Month

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about not being people being exposed to things like critical

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critical race theory and educational things about this,

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how it also goes into other aspects of life. I noticed just

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in the news here recently, but there was some, a few school

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systems that were banning books that had to do with the

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Holocaust, about teaching the Holocaust, that certain that

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goes directly to anti semitism. And then we've had a real big

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movement about anti Asian or Asian hatred for Asian folks

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regarding as well. So the lessons we're learning here, as

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we lift up black history, not only applied to black folks,

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they apply to any others who are considered to be other, you

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know, by, by the by white folks, basically. So what do you think

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are some of the lessons we could learn that can be then be

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applied to our society and to our church and to our schools

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right now?

Bishop Julius Trimble:

I think the the, the biblical notion

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that the truth will set you free, is really true. And we've

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we've been sheltered from truth about history, particularly

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peoples of color, in this country for way too long. And I

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often understood that I come from a family of teachers and

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educators, that that part of part of the role of education is

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really to, to move us from our comfort level of ignorance. So

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so if we, if we are not willing to be made, at least

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uncomfortable enough, in order for us to pull back the veil of

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ignorance and that we things that we simply don't know, then

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how are we really experiencing education in America, I think

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there can be an appreciation for both the victories and

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celebrations and accomplishment accomplishments that all people

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have made, at the same time, dealing with the the ugly

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chapters of history, and the end the horrific things that

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sometimes people humans have done to other humans. So I don't

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think we do our do ourselves a favor at all, by not teaching

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history, in a way in which it embraces the good, the bad and

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the ugly.

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Yes. You're a bishop in the United Methodist

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Church. I'm a pastor in the United Methodist Church. We're

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both Christians, both part of the faith community. How do you

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think kind of lifting up and being aware of black heroes,

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black people of faith, black people in history, even the

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biblical record about this here? How does that inform how what

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are some scriptures? What are some ways this informs our faith

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and how we do church?

Bishop Julius Trimble:

Well, the Bible says we are surrounded by

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a great cloud of cloud of witnesses. I like to think that

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that cloud of witnesses is a multicultural cloud. It's a

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multi, multi coloured cloud of witnesses. And I think we have

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been, maybe maybe our minds have been altered a bit because we

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seared into our seat into the pictures that we conjure up our

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Charlton Heston and Elizabeth Taylor and people who played

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played biblical roles and, and those pictures may be seared

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into our head. It's your Brynner seared in our heads, when we

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ought to realize that the people of the Bible often were people

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of color The people of the Bible often it was not about, you

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know, the candidates racial stratification and racial

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classification is, as many would argue, is a construct, you know,

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we've constructed that you know, that the color of one's skin has

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something to do with the value of one's contribution. I think

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as we read, as I read the Bible Bible, I'm thinking of this is

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God's expression through a whole host of people's people and

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people's God's expression for us to really embrace what it is to

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be sister and brothers, part of the human family.

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And you mentioned about the great cloud of

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witnesses and who are part of informing that but there's

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certainly is a lot in the Bible that can help inform us about,

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about teaching and learning about not being intimidated by

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the other, you know, by those who might consider to be

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different than us. Certainly Jesus did that lifting up, the

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Samaritan and so on, that we we can do. did want to ask you, you

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know, before we, because I just think it's pertinent to our

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conversation here, as we are in the middle of February, as this

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is will be released, that I just want to get your comments about

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with retirement of one of our Chief Justices from our Supreme

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Court, Brier, President Biden has said, and by the time we

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hear this, there may well be a nomination of a black woman to

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be on the Supreme Court. And I just can't think that's going to

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be a really significant moment, when that happens, and his

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flight to get your take on that the implications of that. The

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power of that or how that will can maybe shift. How we look at

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our country a little bit. Just your thoughts about that?

Bishop Julius Trimble:

I think it I think it's a it's a

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opportunity for us to celebrate as Americans, that diversity of

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contributions that the diversity of talent that's in our country,

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including those of African American women, there's no

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shortage, as I'm not an expert, I have a niece who's a lawyer,

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she's, she's a young lawyer. So she's probably a bit far off

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before she'd be considered for that role. But I think it's

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gonna be a tremendous win witness to to the rich diversity

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and contribution of black Americans, in this case, African

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American women. President Biden is already getting pushed back.

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I think this is a lot of the, the the overstating of the

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importance of race, or saying, you know, he's out of line for

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saying, I'm going to nominate a black woman. Well, past

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presidents have said they were going to nominate, you know,

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someone who had a diversity of experience or nominated, that

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next person is President Obama said, or nominate a woman to the

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court and the first woman was, so these things were said by

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previous presidents, or it's a president said, I'm going to

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nominate someone who's, who's, who has a history of

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conservatism and so forth. So I celebrate the fact that we have

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an African American woman nominee, nobody's going to

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question her qualifications, because we know that's all been

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vetted. You can't get nominated, unless you're already more

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probably more than qualified for the job. So it makes for a

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richer, Supreme Court when we have a diverse supreme corporate

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court. It's not been that many years ago, when if you looked at

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a picture, I have an old set of encyclopedias. If you look at

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the picture, look up Supreme Court. And what you'll see is,

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it's all all white men with the exception of Thurgood Marshall

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when he was appointed. So what does that all mean? Oh man and

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one black man, Thurgood Marshall, being the first black

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person to be nominated to the Supreme Court.

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I think it's so easy as the opportunity we have

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to have the richness of diversity in that area of the

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judicial system. But we see it and we need it even you know, in

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other areas of life education, in academics, and business, in

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health care systems, and even in the mission and ministry of the

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church. But I think a lot of this has to do with helping

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bridge the gap of understanding between black folks and white

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folks who are people of color and this area of the Black

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History Month does come into play here and that and what I

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want to ask you about is this for those white folks who say

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something to the fact that I just don't get it I don't get

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what the importance of Black History Month is, you know, we

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need Just History Month or history or whatever it would be,

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what do you think people of color can share? Or be in

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conversation about they can maybe help influence folks about

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this without a threatening way? Because sometimes people get

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withdrawn when they feel threatened. How do you think

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black folks or people of color can speak to white folks about

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this issue?

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Right. And most folks, most folks

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really kind of look back at a chronology of at least American

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history as being a country of immigrants. And we kind of we're

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not for Black History Week that became black history month,

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people would forget that everybody who came to help shape

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and start and and the the backs where America was this, this

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great country was built upon. We're not all immigrants, some

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of them were were slaves that were brought here on slave

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ships. And I think one of the thing I would say is that, you

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know, we are all better off when we have a broader, broader

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breadth of the contributions of black Americans, and African

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African Americans, to this great country that we love, there's

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no, there's no reason to say we should have all history. If we

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are not going to take the effort to make sure that we really

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share and teach all history, I think it's an opportunity to

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celebrate the great contributions of African

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Americans, who for hundreds of years, were laboring, without

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compensation, to help build the economic infrastructure, not

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just for the South, but for what later became the ever growing

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economy and Democracy in America. People may not fully

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understand it. But I think everybody could benefit and

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learn during Black History Month, because it's a, it's an

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it's an, it's an invitation to pay attention to contributions.

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We should do the same for other other groups as well, as Native

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Americans, we should do the same, we should do the same for

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other cultural groups that have made contributions. And American

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history is certainly full of contributions of persons from

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Europe and other places as well. But too often, we have neglected

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people say we should just teach them teach history, we've

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neglected to teach the full breadth of history. And I think

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this is an opportunity for us to make sure that some of those

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deficit areas we pay attention to,

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yes, what I'm hearing you say is let's look

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for areas of commonality and, and unite experience where there

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then areas of differences and diversion. Let's talk about

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inclusion in best that we can. And I want to wrap up our

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conversation here today. Bishop A, the name of our podcast of

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your podcast is to be encouraged. So always like to

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conclude our conversations here with what's your encouraging

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word for the day? What is your COURAGING word about black

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history month? Or about some of the topics we've had

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conversation about here today? What's your word?

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My encouraging word is that never

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say something is impossible, because what may seem impossible

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with man is possible with God. Every time one of the things

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Black History Month teaches is that even every time throughout

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of his shift throughout history, when hurdles were placed in

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front of those who were descendants of African slaves,

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whenever they were hurdles and obstacles placed in front of

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blacks. We became world class hurdlers. So, you know, when we

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couldn't, we couldn't they wouldn't teach us how to read.

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We became great scholars and educators. When we couldn't get

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into medical school, we became great doctors and innovators. So

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one of the things this is a lesson for everyone, when there

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are hurdles put in front of you. Often God will help make you a

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world class hurdler where you can accomplish that. So when I

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think about the youngest poet, the Inaugural Poet ever in

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recorded history, Amanda Gorman, young, black African, a gifted

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poet who'd been you know, been a gifted since he was 1010 1112

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years old. And so we can all celebrate that that's just a

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feel good story about an American, a young American,

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African American woman who was just a great contributor. And it

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reminds us of the text where it says, you know, do not say that,

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that did not let them say despise your youth, that you

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indeed can be an instrument of God. All of us can be

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instruments of God and I I want to say to our listeners today,

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you know, we ought to take time to thank God for life. And thank

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God for the contributions of people who are descendants of

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African slaves. Thank god of contributions of people that we

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maybe we heard about. But take a moment to maybe do some research

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or even better have a conversation with someone who's

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different than you. Have a conversation with someone who's

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not of your same tribe, your same cultural group or your same

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race or ethnic circle.

Brad Miller:

What a great way for us to enter conversation. I

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just love that phrase you just said about you know, if you

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placed a hurdle in front of you become a world class hurdler.

Brad Miller:

That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, thank you for sharing

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today a good word about hurtling the obstacles and about other

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things here that we have that we've had to talk about. Thank

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you for being our guest today for being here on your podcast

Brad Miller:

Bishop. Remember be encouraged podcast you can find it to be

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encouraged.com Thank you, Bishop.

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